31 March 2007 @ 10:30 am
Jumping on the Speculation Train...  
Okay, so since everyone and their kitchen sink is freaking out about the secret ending movie for Final Mix, I thought I'd do my general freak-out, too. XD Because speculation and theorizing with extremely limited information is hella fun!


The best copy I've seen of the secret movie (with SOOOOUND) is on KH-vids (scroll down a bit). The KHU version has subtitles, but the picture quality is awful and the subtitles are really minimal, anyway (and make no sense in typical mysterious-Nomura-fashion). And...HOLY CRAAAP. The secret movie's exciting, but it's also SCARY! Just so many parts in it were much more violent than I would have imagined! D: Although I guess if Disney can totally let Pirates of the Caribbean get away with all that, there's no reason why they can't let KH, too... Just, uuuugh! Parts were really hard to watch, and adding the sound made it even scarier!

Okay, so we've got a few dudes: FreakyAnsem!Dude, who splits into two people, and one of them becomes Venom!Dark!Riku. Then there's the three armored Keybladers: YellowEyed!Dude, BlueHaired!Chick (Yes, she IS a chick. Please to be getting over the whole OMG IT'S IENZO thing, fandom.) and then Frozen!Kid.

First things first: Nomura has specifically said that none of the armored Keybladers are Sora, Riku, Kairi OR ROXAS. So no, Frozen!Kid is not Roxas, even if the eyes and hair look really frecking similar. I'm sure there's some significance to the fact that they look similar, but that significance is not because OMG ROXASICLE.

I was chatting with [livejournal.com profile] tegurunrampant, and she had theories that made sense to me: that FreakyAnsem!Dude and Venom!Dark!Riku is the result of a time paradox: two "Ansems" in the same place at the same time. Her idea was that it was a much older, twisted Riku from the future: hence why FreakyAnsem!Dude was able to actually use a Keyblade. (We've seen Riku use a Keyblade, obviously, but Ansem and his incarnations has never seen to use one.) It would also explain why he "splits" into a figure that closely resembles Dark!Riku's outfit. The whole origin of Ansem and that splitting into two people deal seems to be the most speculation, though...heck, that whole part could just as easily be metaphorical. Nomura's even said that only part of the secret movie is significant to the next game which makes me want to smack the man.

Whatever kind of Ansem FreakyAnsem!Dude is, he is FRIGGING ASS POWERFUL. Holy crap. Even with three Keybladers going after him, he pretty much beats their sorry armored asses from here to Twilight Town. Now we do know that none of the armored guys are characters we already know, or at least aren't any of the main characters. Buuut, here's thoughts on who they may really be.

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Yes, she's definitely a chick. There was already the belief that one of the Keybladers was female with their particular armor, and Hey! Now here's a chick. She looks like she could be related to Kairi but that could easily be the fact that Nomura is not that great at character variation. Since I think this whole scene takes place in the past (more on that in a bit) my idea is that it's a distant ancestor of Kairi's...and someone in particular! Remember the grandmother telling the story about the worlds being formed to chibi!Kairi in KH1? She knows, because she was there! XD
Aside from that, BlueHaired!Chick is pretty awesome, especially with that spectacular dive to save Frozen!Kid when he was tossed off the cliff. I think she's my favorite mysterious armored Keyblader so far. XD

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Oh no, Frozen!Kid! (I feel kinda awful even posting this picture, just because that whole scene and this image make me feel ill. DX) First off, despite the fact that what FreakyAnsem!Dude does would have killed any non-video-game-character, Frozen!Kid is not dead. You can see his eyes move a bit in that shot. Although he's pretty much gonna be traumatized for life. And he's not Roxas, nor do I think he's even an ancestor of Sora. But the fact that he looks similar (and seems to be a similar age) means there must be some kind of connection. I'm thinking it's a connection of spirit; something in Frozen!Kid got passed on to Sora down the line. It's clear he's important to the whole debacle: YellowEyed!Dude holds him back when they first charge at FreakyAnsem!Dude, BlueHaired!Chick puts a protect spell around him even when she's reeling from serious injury, and BlueHaired!Chick and YellowEyed!Dude both completely freak out when he's captured and iced.

I think it's a matter of Sora having to succeed where Frozen!Kid failed. The fact that his Keyblade completely breaks during the fall (and holy crap, for a while I thought it was HIS ARM that had broken off! D8;;;) is kind of a big deal. Whatever importance Frozen!Kid had or was supposed to do, methinks getting iced and his Keyblade broken and thrown off a cliff kinda nixed that. So it'll be up to Sora come the next game (whatever role that may be; I think his participation is gonna be less than other games) to pick up that slack. "You're the Key that connects everything," and all that.

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YellowEyed!Dude! Or at least, his eyes turn yellow after FreakyAnsem!Dude revealed KINGDOM HEARTS IN THE SKY HOSHI- People have said Saix (uhh, no?) and Leon (BZUH?!), but [livejournal.com profile] tegurunrampant actually suggested that YellowEyed!Dude is a younger Xehanort. His hair is much closer to Xehanort's style than it is anyone else's, and thusfar the only people we've seen with those particular orange-yellow fiery eyes have been incarnations of Ansem: Ansem the Wise, Xehanort, Xehanort's Heartless, and Xemnas. Since the orange-yellow eyes seem to be an indication of someone steeped in a ton of darkness (Ansem the Wise did experiment with it first, after all), I would take the fact that his eyes change color as a Bad Thing. It may have been what FreakyAnsem!Dude was after all along: to take control of YellowEyed!Dude, who would eventually become Xehanort. After a convenient memory wipe of all this, naturally.

And finally:

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HOLY SHIZ BITCHES IT'S MICKEY MOUSE AND HE'S HERE TO PWN YOU ALL

While the OMG IT'S MICKEY shot seems like almost an afterthought, I think there's actually a LOT of significance to it, and it's the basis for my reasoning of why the whole secret movie takes place in the past.
- THAT KEYBLADE HE HAS. We've always seen Mickey with the inverse Kingdom Key; it's his generic weapon. He uses it all the time in both KH1 and KH2. And yet here, he's using the Star Seeker; a Keyblade that in KH2 wasn't horribly significant. (Not significant like Oathkeeper and Oblivion are, anyway.) Why that Keyblade? Why here? I think there's a clue based in the fact that this is the Keyblade you get from Yen Sid, and Yen Sid was King Mickey's teacher. This could be a younger!Mickey, just coming off of his training with Yen Sid.
- That, coupled with the fact that Mickey's clothes are primarily black and white. Just coming out of the Timeless River era, anyone? So basically, because this is past!Mickey, putting this entire scene in the past. Nomura has said that the next game will take place in both the past and future, after all. So time paradoxes, Keyblading ancestors and spiritual hero lineage are all possibilities for it!

...Or if Deep Dive as shown in KH2 is any indication, I could be horribly wrong and this whole secret movie will end up being of minimal importance to the next game. XD But dammit, until then it's tons of fun to theorize!


Drawing: I'm behind, and can't catch up! Aaaargh! But I worked some more on the cast pic yesterday!

Writing: Three things at once, practically?! Will probably start le sporkings today!
 
 
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[identity profile] anidex.livejournal.com on March 31st, 2007 07:40 pm (UTC)
I don't think the brown haired guy could be Xehanort. In Ansem The Wise's reports, he states that he found Xehanort "all those years ago" and blames his lack of matureness (whining etc) on his age. The guy in the trailer's too old. That and, he doesn't look as dark as Xehanort. XD And even Xehanort had white hair. This guy doesn't. D:
But, as the deep dive videos proved, just because only three figures showed up in armor, doesn't mean that there aren't more. And Xehanort could quite possibly be someone who is someone who dons the armor, but just not in that video. For he does indeed, wear armor similar to those three in the final battles. And it's very different from what the three wear, another reason why I don't think it's him.

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[identity profile] lynxgriffin.livejournal.com on April 1st, 2007 04:35 am (UTC)
Hmmm...those are all good points. It would be possible for him to be another armored dude (obviously Deep Dive showed no indication of how many people in black coats there really were). I just found it strange that his eyes turned yellow at that particular point. Argh, Nomura, you make no sense!
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[identity profile] anidex.livejournal.com on April 1st, 2007 04:36 am (UTC)
I know! D: He enjoys it too I think. Actually, I'm PRETTY sure he enoys it. XD
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[identity profile] lynxgriffin.livejournal.com on April 1st, 2007 07:18 am (UTC)
He sails around in his gold-plated yacht, drinking martinis while showgirls fan him with palm fronds, and just laughs maniacally at the very thought. D:
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[identity profile] anidex.livejournal.com on April 1st, 2007 07:22 am (UTC)
XD! :rofl: Oh, I can see it too...XD
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[identity profile] alba-aulbath.livejournal.com on March 31st, 2007 10:20 pm (UTC)
I STAND BY MY THEORY EVEN THOUGH I KNOW IT'S WRONG
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[identity profile] lynxgriffin.livejournal.com on April 1st, 2007 04:29 am (UTC)
SAIX AND XEHANORT CAN DUKE IT OUT FOR THE TITLE OF WHO IS YELLOWEYED!DUDE.
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[identity profile] alba-aulbath.livejournal.com on April 1st, 2007 04:30 am (UTC)
SAIX WILL PROBABLY LOSE AND ASK KINGDOM HEARTS WHERE HIS HEART WENT.

You know what Kingdom Hearts will tell him?

"LOL, we have no idea. :D"
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[identity profile] lynxgriffin.livejournal.com on April 1st, 2007 04:36 am (UTC)
Xehanort will be all "LOL I ATE IT :D"
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[identity profile] gay-vampire.livejournal.com on March 31st, 2007 11:50 pm (UTC)
Ah, spoilers... The veritable fountain of life for die-hard Kingdom Hearts fans such as myself.
And may I add, HOLY SHIT!! A FEMALE CHARACTER THAT DOES NOT HAVE THE GIRLIEST KEY BLADE IN EXISTENCE!!! *cheers loudly* It also good to notice that she plays a pretty important part in the video ^_^
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! ;.; Poor icicle kid...
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[identity profile] princealia.livejournal.com on April 1st, 2007 12:52 am (UTC)
D: ROXASICLE D:
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[identity profile] lynxgriffin.livejournal.com on April 1st, 2007 04:26 am (UTC)
IT'S NOT ROXAS FOOL WEREN'T YOU READING *bitchslaps*
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[identity profile] swyrel.livejournal.com on April 1st, 2007 04:07 am (UTC)
I think I hate you (not really though)! I didn't even know there would be a new secret ending for FM, and then I had to read your post! Argh, now I'm sad because the little short dude got frozen, and they all tried to protect him. It was pretty cool though, especially where the Venom!Dark!Riku (as you called him) dude rode around on the keyblades. Though, you have to wonder if that has to even be a alternate Riku in there or not. I mean, in KHII, it just seemed like anyone could use a keyblade since they gave one to Kairi and all. Hell, I expected them to start handing them out to the evil dudes too. *shrugs* I downloaded this video to my computer, and I've been watching it, and watching it, and watched it some more. It just moves so fast, that I have to watch it about one hundred times to figure everything out. With Deep Dive, I just figured out that Roxas, after a twirl kinda move, kicks a heartless in the chest and then goes down to sweep another one off his feet. Goodness, I'm rambling! Anyway, even though I'm now sad and obsessed about this ending, thanks for posting where to find it!

~Swyrel
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[identity profile] lynxgriffin.livejournal.com on April 1st, 2007 04:32 am (UTC)
Whoops, didn't mean to completely spoil! D: I'm now not so sure if either of the "Ansems" that split off are from future Riku or not (despite earlier fics...) but it would seem to make sense since Riku can actually use a Keyblade. I always got the impression that people who can use Keyblades was different from "Keyblade Master," per se, but we may be totally jossed next game, who knows.
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[identity profile] swyrel.livejournal.com on April 1st, 2007 05:41 pm (UTC)
Don't worry, I enjoy the spoilers! I just watched it again, and I'm thinking, about the whole past/future thing, well the armor and the keyblades of the three are kinda old looking, but then you have the FreakyAnsem!Dude and Venom!Dark!Riku who has like more futuristic clothes and their keyblades are more hightech (I couldn't think of a better word), so maybe they do represent the past and future. During the first and second games, I thought only Riku and Sora could use the keyblades because I read somewhere that Riku was actually supposed to be the Keyblade Master, and then he gave into the dark, so it passed to Sora. Then King Mickey shot that theory to hell when he showed up at the end of KHI. I absolutely have no idea, but I love hearing the theories!

~Swyrel
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[identity profile] swyrel.livejournal.com on April 2nd, 2007 07:11 pm (UTC)
I think I'm posting too much, but I'm really enjoying this video! Anyway, after watching AGAIN, I finally figured out that it's not Frozen!Kid that the chick is doing the protective spell on. If you notice the horn things on the guys armor that is standing next to her when she does this, his aren't the straight ones of the big dude, but the slightly curved ones of Frozen!Kid, plus, the big dude is the one getting knocked around by keyblades at that point anyway, and the Frozen!Kid goes to rescue him, thus getting captured. Hey, wouldn't it be kick ass if there was an attack in the third game where you could make all those keyblades pop out of the ground and just knock the crap out of a person? Also, I like how Frozen!Kid is left-handed and holds his keyblade like Kadaj holds his sword in Advent Chidren (if you've seen it). Okay, this really is too long!

~Swyrel
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[identity profile] td-wears-a-yts.livejournal.com on April 1st, 2007 08:40 pm (UTC)
My theory is that the one that looks like roxas probably died and his soul reincarnated into Sora and when he lost his and regain self-hood thus Roxas took the appearance of this guy.
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[identity profile] mobius-music.livejournal.com on April 6th, 2007 07:58 am (UTC)
lol "ROXASICLE" XD
But seriously, the resemblance REALLY freaked me out, cuz Roxas is teh best ^_^

I have a few theories of my own. One is that the FreakyAnsem!Dude split into 2 forms: one is his heartless (Venom!Dark!Riku) and the other is his nobody (FreakyAnsem!Dude-x). That would explain why the two of them split from the same being. One's the shadow and the other's the heartless shell.

The other thought is about YellowEyed!Dude. Maybe seeing Frozen!Kid getting frozen and stuff pushed him over the edge, and he gave himself to the darkness so that he could beat the crap out of FreakyAnsem!Dude's nobody. Hence the yellow eyes. I guess he would be kinda like Riku in that respect. Plunging into darkness to help the ones he cares about.
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[identity profile] caedhe.livejournal.com on April 6th, 2007 08:55 pm (UTC)
Lynx, are you trying to create even more wank in the world? - That's awesome. Here, let me help: Sora is the devil. Kairi is sleeping with Donald. Mickey has EVERYONE's hearts.

There. That should keep people upset for months. lol.
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[identity profile] lynxgriffin.livejournal.com on April 7th, 2007 12:12 am (UTC)
Bzuh? Where'd you get creating wank from? Speculation =/= wank!

If I wanted to make wank, there are much better places I could go for that than my personal LJ!
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[identity profile] caedhe.livejournal.com on April 7th, 2007 02:52 am (UTC)
Ummm...that's just where my mind goes. I'm jaded from too much time online. I blame...someone else entirely.
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