23 November 2007 @ 11:14 pm
Let's sing a happy little working song!  
Since so many people posted so in journals, I say back to you: HAPPY THANKSGIVING! I hope your days were all relaxing and fun! :D

Aaaand we're back from Thanksgiving with the family! We went up to my grandparents' new house, which was closer to the church, in a nicer neighborhood, and quite a bit bigger. Also, two bathrooms instead of one FTW. It was a little weird since I'm so used to visiting them in their old house, but I am glad they got this new one.

Dinner was the usual of turkey, stuffing, mashed potatoes, gravy, salad and fruit salad, green bean caserole, etc. Plus pie and ice cream for dessert! Yummmmm. Also, this was the first year in which there was actually room enough for all the "kids" to sit at the adult table, lawl. (Our youngest "kid" is in high school now, so...yeah.) I'm still very thankful that I get along with my extended family pretty well; I've never gotten into a nasty conversation with them during get-togethers. Then again, we don't talk politics too much, and if anyone does it's usually in such a tone that no one can take anything seriously. :P

Otherwise, I pretty much spent the time drawing/inking, and playing "Settlers of Catan" with my siblings/cousins about twenty times over. And I only won once. D: Fail. If you've never played it and like board games, pick it up: it's addicting, and the design of it is such that the board is radically different every game.

Also today, I suggested to the family that we go see Enchanted, and they all agreed, even one of my guy cousins! Go me! What's more: everyone really enjoyed it, even the high-school-guys that went with me. XD

My short thoughts:
It was very cute and entertaining! I was laughing out loud through good chunks of it, awwwing at other parts, and the animation fan in me went all happy at the lovely return to 2D. I'd definitely recommend people go see it in theaters, it's worth the money, if for nothing else than the musical number involving hundreds of people just hanging around in Central Park. XD

My much longer thoughts:

Now, don't get me wrong: I really enjoyed this movie; it was something I could easily watch with my family over and over, and that's hard to come by nowadays. I think it managed to pull off what the first Shrek did, but what the Shrek sequels failed to do: make fun of cliches and franchises while still showing that the making fun is all out of love for them. (Galaxy Quest is also a great example of this.) The characters were great and ALL grew throughout the story, and the story didn't try to overcomplicate itself. I more than agreed with the ultimate message, since I'm huge on believing things will work out/trusting in the goodness of others/not every ending should be a sad one/etc. I think, as far as Disney films go, this is a definite step in the right direction.

BUT, it's still not there yet. More of the failed, recent Disney films were stuck in the past in a bad way, while Enchanted was stuck in the past in a good way. But even if it was a good way, they're still stuck in the past. I loved looking for references to other Disney movies in this one (and there were plenty, some hard to find!) but they were all still building off of "Look what we've done THEN," not "Look what we've done NOW!"

Frankly, parts of the plot were predictable. Even before we got to the ball scene, I saw Giselle falling for Robert, while Robert's girlfriend Nancy went back to Andalasia with Prince Edward, since they were both discovering their better compatibilities and since the whole point of the movie was people finding Their One True Love. Maybe this sort of thing is less predictable to a younger audience, but it just stood out to me as a little too obvious.

Speaking of obvious, while I did like the dragon scene at the end (wooo awesome dragon!) I didn't really appreciate the dragon-queen's lines of "Ha, looks like you're the brave little princess, and he's the damsel in distress!" We shouldn't need to have this pointed out to us! It's clear from the moment the dragon grabs Robert and Giselle runs to pick up the sword that there's an ironic role reversal going on, and it's powerful enough that way. Having the dragon point out HAY GUYZ ROLE REVERSAL LOL makes it feel like the movie is assuming the audience is stupid, and I don't like it when movies assume that I'm stupid, or even when they assume that the younger kids watching the movie are stupid.

I really did like the animated part. It made me go "SQUEE!" to see 2D animation on the screen again! I just wish it had more to do with the movie other than "this is why some of the characters seem to act crazy in New York!" When watching the beginning, Giselle just felt like a part of the happy-fuzzy-animals background; like a product of her environment. It was only when she reached New York that you really felt like her innocent, naive, fairytale self was really HER character and who SHE was, and that was what made her interesting. It just kind of seems a shame that that's what the animated world was reduced to. D: It could have been so much more! Dangit, I liked the cute singing animals!

Perhaps part of why the movie felt a little off about the parody part was because the movie was clearly a romance story. There is nothing wrong with this, and as far as romance stories go, it was an excellent one! I don't usually have the patience for romance stories, so the fact that I liked this one so much says a lot. However, the movies that they're parodying...aren't really romance stories. Snow White isn't a romance. Cinderella isn't a romance. Neither are Aladdin or The Little Mermaid, really. Perhaps Beauty and the Beast is the one that comes closest. They're stories that have lots of romance in them, but they aren't really romance stories. It feels like Disney is still treating their old, classic movies like a means of merchandising rather as real, living characters, what with this sudden obsession with the princess line of merchandise. Like they've forgotten that there's more to these characters than just Finding The Man Of Their Dreams, even though that's the very thing they're parodying. The Disney princesses are interesting because they are fascinating, strong characters all on their own, not because of who they marry. Giselle is funny and sweet not because she's a parody of the Disney princesses, but because she's a parody of the idea of Disney princess merchandising. And just like her predescessors, I think she's got the spunk and character to stand all on her own, if Disney will just give her the chance. (And I don't mean in the "single, independent woman who needs no husband" way. Just as a woman is not automatically weak if she's married, she's not automatically strong if she's single, either.)

As far as Giselle's character and the parody-of-romance idea goes, however, that's more of a nitpick. I've never been really huge on chick flicks or romance films, anyway, so that could easily just be a "needs moar action!" bias. Again, REALLY, I enjoyed the characters and their story a lot. Despite my nitpicks, the story and the characters, ultimately, were very solid.

I think what stood out to me the most, and what has been nagging at me most about what Disney has been putting out, is that I saw nothing new. It was a sweet story, a story with a message I really believe in and with adorable characters and (YAAY!) some fun musical numbers to pull it off, but it was all stuff I had seen before; that I could predict. When Walt Disney was alive, he was all about innovation: about trying something new, pushing the art form to places it had never gone before. What I wanted to see more of in Enchanted was innovation. And I'm not talking about just innovations in technologies; anyone can see that fancy new special effects and That New Dynamic Hair System Autodesk Just Released doesn't matter crap to a good movie. I'm talking about innovations in the storytelling itself: a new way of pushing the art form of animated storytelling, a new spin on a character, a unique way of presenting information, anything to keep it just from riding on the coattails of a franchise. I think that's where Pixar has been succeeding so much. With movies like The Incredibles and Ratatouille, they not only told great stories with loveable characters like Enchanted, but they were INNOVATIVE and what they did was new and unique. I wasn't trying to predict how The Incredible or Ratatouille would end, because I'd never seen anything like them before, and I didn't know what to expect. That's also why I'm looking forward to Wall-E: It looks like it takes on that same innovation, that use of great characters in a way I haven't seen before.

So basically, that's the next step I want to see Disney take. I know they can do sweet characters like Giselle and Robert, and funny, good-moral stories like Enchanted. But I want to see them try something new; not be afraid to experiment and push the limit of what kind of stories they tell. If anyone can afford to experiment, it's Disney, and they still seem afraid to get their feet really wet. I also want them to get out of this crappy mindset of today's youth-entertainment-makers in the assumption that Children Are Stupid and Fragile. Children are neither, and dammit, if they story calls for it, they can handle you killing off Bambi's mother or Simba's father.

HOLY CRAP HOW'D THIS GET SO LONG. DDD: ARGH, I make it sound like I didn't like the movie, but really I did! I think people should go see it; bring your friends! I think most of this horribly nonsensical ramble is brought on partly by me missing my childhood dearly, and partly by this deep-seeded desire to get back animation the respect and love I think it ultimately deserves. And since I still don't have a job doing it yet, instead I spill out my thoughts on the movies I see. :P


If you don't want to deal with all that TL;DR, here's just one more thought having to do with animation and innovation:
I'm really glad we went to see Enchanted instead of Beowulf.

OKAY OFF TO BED NOW. @_@

Drawing: So many comic things! TLS comics done, YAY!

Writing: Notes and scripts.
 
 
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[identity profile] princealia.livejournal.com on November 24th, 2007 09:39 am (UTC)
Agreed, agreed, agreed. That's more or less my overall issue with it. It's nothing really impressive because I've seen this story before and it's not just because the underlying themes are from fairytales and "duh, that's the point". I knooooow they're capable of making movies like this and I know they're capable of reinventing past stories; this is why I love them. They do it damn near every time they make a film, sucessful or not. It's just...is this all they have? They can't expand their base anymore to have more to celebrate? It's like they stopped after Tarzan (because they love to forget The Emporer's New Groove and up for some reason XD), and now they just work off that.
It's funny because I'll see all these reviews going "MAN, DISNEY DID IT AGAIN!!"...exactly. They did it again because they've done it before. But at this point in Disney's career, that seems to be all they can do now--recycle what they've done and remarket it. Sequels to their already existing films, princess shorts and princesses in general (which don't even get me started on the marketing of them XD), re-releasing everything...bah. I keep feeling like this is suppose to hold me over until they start doing something new again because right now I'm stuck.

It's just..a really standard film to me that's just nice for the Disney reference geekery. It's nothing over the top or even below the line. It's just right there...which anyone can do. I want to see them do something ELSE.
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[identity profile] lynxgriffin.livejournal.com on November 24th, 2007 07:48 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I really went in expecting to enjoy it, and I got out of it what I expected: I enjoyed it, but I wasn't surprised by anything. I'm not certain what it's going to take for them to do something that both uses great characters and does something unique. It seems like they got scared off of trying new things when Atlantis and Treasure Planet bombed, even if they have niche hardcore fans. Again, I think getting rid of Eisner, putting Lasseter in charge and Enchanted are all steps in the right direction, but I think it's a little too early to be celebrating on Disney's behalf yet. I'm still expecting something truly mind-blowing from them!
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[identity profile] princealia.livejournal.com on November 24th, 2007 08:40 pm (UTC)
Exactly. It didn't exceed anything I had planned for it, which disappointed me because it was that standard plot I had in my head before hand. It didn't nothing to veer from that besides maybe the ending with the role reversal.

Atlantis is gorgeous and I will put in Treasure Planet in a hot second, I don't care what anyone says XD. I just think those movies need more time for people to appreciate them. They weren't fairytales, but more sci-fi tales that this society isn't really geared towards.

But agreed again. Definitely a step in the right direction, but NO WHERE near "back". I almost wanna type up a post on my feelings right now XD
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[identity profile] chobit001.livejournal.com on November 24th, 2007 04:06 pm (UTC)
Children are neither, and dammit, if they story calls for it, they can handle you killing off Bambi's mother or Simba's father.

Speaking of killing that word popped out a lot more so in this movie than others. Oh how I loved Queen Narissa.

I can admit that the partial recycled-ness (and the fact it was a fish outta water story similar to The Little Mermaid) is why I ended up liking it so much. But I agree to you that I wish animation got the love it deserved. Shoot I'm still rather mad at how the U.S. treats anime if it's sorta "not cut" on adult swim. I personally don't understand why we can't introduce our children to a different culture because when you get rid of the original voice acting that is what happens. I can't even begin to state how reading subtitles has improved my reading accuracy but anyways that's a rant for later...

I feel Disney's afraid more so because of, like you said, merchandising and financial reasons, which is so stupid. Movies should be made because there's a love invested in the script and the characters and to tell a great story!
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[identity profile] lynxgriffin.livejournal.com on November 24th, 2007 07:54 pm (UTC)
Speaking of killing that word popped out a lot more so in this movie than others. Oh how I loved Queen Narissa.

Huh, really? I didn't notice that, I'll have to look for it whenever I see the movie again. :O (And I did notice "Under the Sea" playing when Giselle was studying the fish tank, which made me lawl.)

I know, I desperately wish there was a way for American culture to overcome this stigma of animation (and anime) as only appropriate for certain crowds. It seems like all companies (most definitely not just Disney) have this tendency to pigeonhole animation either into strictly kid's fare, or into adults-only sitcoms. But if companies would be willing to just make fun stories for people the way they aren't afraid to with live action, I think we can really get some incredible things, and animation would not be treated the way it is! :P

(Awww, your icon is cute! XD)
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[identity profile] princealia.livejournal.com on November 24th, 2007 08:37 pm (UTC)
No, no Part Of Your World was playing because Robert's secretary, Samn, is Jodi Benson aka the voice of Ariel. When she was going her impression of Giselle, she put on her Ariel voice when describing where she was from. I lawled so hard XD
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[identity profile] lazzchan.livejournal.com on November 24th, 2007 09:57 pm (UTC)
Just going on that from the being in Japan standpoint...

A lot of the teachers and students I talk to at the school I'm at don't see an age gap when it comes to watching anime or manga. They encouraged me to tell the students "Oh, I like this manga or watch that anime" because all ages can watch it. You're not a kid watching it.
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[identity profile] shugamri.livejournal.com on November 24th, 2007 07:17 pm (UTC)
Interesting. I agree with your remarks, particularly about the whole "rehashing" business that Disney has been doing for the last five, eight years or so.

But are we really going to see any change from this sort of business tactics from Disney, even if John Lasseter is now in charge of Disney's movie production? I doubt it, as the Disney corporation has seemed to have dug itself in a hole that it's unwilling to move from. After all, why do something new when you can bank on profits from new merchandise on old properties? I mean, last I knew, they were making a new Disney Prince doll line, and they're currently working on a Oswald the Lucky Rabbit stuffed animal (Which can be found here http://thedisneystoreshelves.blogspot.com/ ).

Even if they do change though, and start creating new works that don't rely on their old stuff to sell, are we really going to see anything different from all the old movies? We will still get the same purely family-oriented stuff that we've always been getting. Mind you, I'm not against that sort of movie at all, but I do think that Disney, as a corporation and business, is more than wealthy enough to try something new.

For example, Pirates of the Caribbean 3: At Worlds End was a decidedly more adult movie than its predecessors. The fact that they took that chance helped make it a blockbuster that landed them millions. If they can do that, why not do the same with an animated movie?

One of the things that I respect Japanese animation for is that it recognizes the potential animation has as an adult medium. Obviously not adult in the sense of constant sex and gore; that's more juvenile than anything else. No, adult in the sense that it intelligently discusses issues that most people would think only live-action movies can do.

Getting back to the original point, I don't honestly think that we're going to see that much change and innovation from Disney in the near future (by which I mean within the next five years to a decade or so), as the company has become complacent in its profits from older works. That, and I really wouldn't consider it innovation unless an animated Disney movie had this preface before the movie started:

This movie contains content that may not be suitable for minors under the age of fourteen, as it explores adult themes that may be unsuitable for them. Parents are adviced to remove themselves from the theater if they have any child under the age of fourteen, if they feel that their child isn't able to handle the adult themes explored in the following movie. Thank you.
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[identity profile] sbcpanuru.livejournal.com on November 24th, 2007 07:21 pm (UTC)
I probably won't see Beowulf at all; or maybe on DVD if I've had a few drinks. A good rule of thumb for fantasy monster design is that if a DM couldn't describe it to her group of D&D players without wearing a bag over her head for the rest of her life, it may not be such a good design.

"So let me get this straight...we're about to fight something that looks like Angelina Jolie, but taller, naked but with no nipples, and with a tail and stiletto heels growing directly out of her feet?"

"But it looks like Angelina Jolie!"

"My character impales himself with his sword +3."
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[identity profile] lynxgriffin.livejournal.com on November 24th, 2007 07:55 pm (UTC)
...Wait...I thought the tail bit was part of her braids or something?

(Also, LOLLERCOASTERS.)
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[identity profile] sbcpanuru.livejournal.com on November 24th, 2007 08:09 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I dropped a comma, it should've read "...and a tail, and stilletto heels..."

Didn't know the tail was part of her braids, though. All the pics and shots I've seen have been less omgscary and more, hey look, an EBSFILF, Evil Bloodsucking Fiend I'd...well, you know.
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